Comments on: RED drops a bomb

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 07 Nov 2009 16:04:02 +0000

wow even makes the 5DII look like a horse and carriage vs a Red branded space shuttle.

By: Fotograf Stuttgart

Fotograf Stuttgart — Wed, 04 Nov 2009 11:47:29 +0000

RED is not going to compete with sport or PJ cameras. everywhere else AF is pretty much optional.

By: Chris

Chris — Tue, 03 Nov 2009 02:17:28 +0000

You can’t really expect photographers to really be too interested without a really good AF system. I don’t see much mention about AF specs. Video looks awesome, but for photography, AF is extremely important. Even if this does have AF, it won’t work on Nikon or Canon lenses. This is really just a really high-end video camera that just happens to take pictures, rather than the current VDSLRs that are really good still cameras that just happen to take video.

No point to take 100 FPS (RAW) if they are all out of focus.

By: Sky

Sky — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:07:46 +0000

http://reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?t=37011&page=2

^ Check this out folks. This “red” camera will have 3 mounts available – for Nikon, Canon and RED’s own mount. It seems that the canon and nikon mounts will be fully compatible with the camera (at least in the means of electronics – don’t know how it’ll be with AF).

Also the thing to note is that new camera will have ability to use FF sensors, just like normal DSLRs, but majority of system will be based on smaller sensors.

Finally: Red system camera will be EVIL-type, not an DSLR (which is very sad )

By: catastrophile

catastrophile — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:44:34 +0000

oops I meant LX3 not LX2 of course.

By: catastrophile

catastrophile — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:43:31 +0000

Panasonic GH1 and LX2 do 16:9 and other aspects without any cropping, their sensors maintain the same diagonal length in all aspects, when you shoot 16:9 you get more pixels horizontally and less vertically, unlike with GF1 and G1 which do crop indeed and give you an image of 4000 horizontally in all aspect ratio’s while crop from the top and bottom as needed to achieve 16:9 or 3:2 out of the native 4:3.

By: Just a Thought

Just a Thought — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 01:09:55 +0000

You make some good points. Even with RED’s “beyond Leica” prices, they are apparently a bargain compared to the prices of hardware which was available prior to RED’s arrival. Im glad that I I never had the desire to get into video instead of photography (as I’m sure is the family Banker and Loan Officer aka wife). Actually you’ve given me an idea. Next time the usual negotiation about needing to replace a camera comes, I think I’ll ask the Banker to visit RED’s site and hint that maybe we might look into expanding into video instead of getting the replacement DSLR. She’ll probably phone in the order for the DSLR herself after seeing RED’s pricing. Much thanks.

By: Camp

Camp — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 19:09:26 +0000

The lack of 16:9 in still photography probably has more to do with picture frame sizes than anything. Panasonic has a cropped 16:9 option on most of their cameras. Canon has it on their point & shoots too.

By: catastrophile

catastrophile — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 17:14:47 +0000

5K (or 4K …etc) refers to the horizontal (pixel) resolution, so on that basis they would say D300 & D3 are 4.2K and A900 or D3X are 6K. the current RED-One is 4.5K and is 16:9 (4520 x 2540 = ~ 12MP on a 24.4 x 13.7mm sensor comparable to APS-C ), but future RED sensors will come in many sizes, MP’s & aspect ratio’s (from squarish 4:3 to panoramic 3:1).

By: catastrophile

catastrophile — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:50:28 +0000

Modularity is great but always coincides with super-expensive prices. a standard EVF that RED-One shooters use is ~ 3000$ and a mount for that EVF is 1200$.(http://www.peachpit.com/articles/article.aspx?p=1393493&seqNum=10). How cheap the GH1 is in comparison to this!!! OK this is apple-to-orange comparison, but if you think about how much your first RED system can cost you (just 1 iteration) compared to how much GH1 + GH2+….+ GH10 would cost you (in total), probably the sum of 10 iterations of GH’s is cheaper. so as it stands modularity is just unrealistic for most people and not interesting from the economic point of view.

By: Sky

Sky — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:18:55 +0000

Yep.. ugliest thing you ever seen: The Red Bomb.

By: GlobalGuy

GlobalGuy — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:17:13 +0000

It looks like someone tried to eat and then subsequently threw up a Nintendo Entertainment System. Quite odd for an art-field related industry to have no sense of the aesthetic. I’m pretty everyone in the room thought it was hideous except the engineers.

By: Just a Thought

Just a Thought — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 03:25:03 +0000

“It roughly the size of a full frame 35mm sensor at a 16:9 aspect ratio.”

You remined me of something. Video and even Computer LCDs have switched over to 16:9. I wonder when Japanese still picture cameras will switch to this format for their sensors?

By: Camp

Camp — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:25:30 +0000

It’s right around 12MP. It roughly the size of a full frame 35mm sensor at a 16:9 aspect ratio.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 00:51:49 +0000

wait…. how many MP is 5k? over 30? Anybody know? This thing will be crazy

By: Camp

Camp — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 21:34:38 +0000

I don’t think you understand.
It doesn’t matter if this camera is shooting video or still. It’s all the same 5k quality. Any frame can be used as a still and look better than film. Now, photographers can take a continuous stream of photos and pick out the individual frame that captures what they were looking for.

That is what I mean by “video is the future of still photography.”

By: Just a Thought

Just a Thought — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:53 +0000

“which is the viewfinder or viewing system?”

The viewfinder is a modular attachment which is not shown. Frm specs you can buy LCD and or EVF for it. Visit http://www.red.com for more info and pics. This way if a better LCD or EVF becomes available you just attach the better unit. If a better sensor becomes available (Red calls it the Brain module) you just replace the module with the better one. Digital Modularity that the Japanese and Leica spoke about but never delivered on. In a way this the digital+video equivalent to the once typical Medium Format camera system from say Hassleblad or Mamiya for example. Maybe the USA will once again be the leader in photo/video equipment – nah – next we wait for Sony’s response and then Canon’s.

Love the idea of being able to use Nikon or Canon or Red lenses with aperature control for same. Its about time the use of a single proprietory lens mount was eliminated. Red has shown that it can be done, albeit with adapters yet retain aperature control. It is also a win win for Red, Canon and Nikon. Now if only Sony, Canon, Nikon, Pentax and Olympus could be convinced of this.

2010 is shaping up to be a most interesting year.

By: hi

hi — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:19:48 +0000

which is the viewfinder or viewing system? the lensmount is at the top

By: Adam

Adam — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:47:03 +0000

nope, there is a market for both. There are some things that looks excellent in photo that wont be able to replicate in video and there are some things in video that cant be replicated in photo.

By: Camp

Camp — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:45:37 +0000

Video is the future of still photography.