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> <channel><title>Comments on: Sony EVIL camera specs</title> <atom:link href="http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/</link> <description>Photography news, before it happens</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:46:05 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Sky</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6159</link> <dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:59:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6159</guid> <description>Thanks for pointing this out Adam! :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing this out Adam! <img
src='http://photorumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sky</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6158</link> <dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:58:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6158</guid> <description>in early &#039;2000 photos from DSLRs at ISO 200 looked worse than current ISO 6400 not saying about resolution advantage we have now (so if you&#039;ll scale 24MPx photo down to 6MPx you get waaay better picture), so yes, it&#039;s true that in few years we gonna have usable ISO 102,000.I just hope it won&#039;t be made by stopping the progress with ISO 100 quality. Honestly I&#039;d prefer ISO 64 or lower camera with uber-details over usable ISO 102,000.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in early &#8217;2000 photos from DSLRs at ISO 200 looked worse than current ISO 6400 not saying about resolution advantage we have now (so if you&#8217;ll scale 24MPx photo down to 6MPx you get waaay better picture), so yes, it&#8217;s true that in few years we gonna have usable ISO 102,000.</p><p>I just hope it won&#8217;t be made by stopping the progress with ISO 100 quality. Honestly I&#8217;d prefer ISO 64 or lower camera with uber-details over usable ISO 102,000.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam Maas</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6131</link> <dc:creator>Adam Maas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:34:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6131</guid> <description>Go look at the results at ISO 102,000 from the D3s. It wasn&#039;t so long ago that ISO3200 on most DSLR&#039;s was giving similar results.Quite usable under the right circumstances. Give it a couple years and it will be completely usable.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go look at the results at ISO 102,000 from the D3s. It wasn&#8217;t so long ago that ISO3200 on most DSLR&#8217;s was giving similar results.</p><p>Quite usable under the right circumstances. Give it a couple years and it will be completely usable.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam Maas</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6130</link> <dc:creator>Adam Maas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:29:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6130</guid> <description>Actually, all of the m4/3rds zooms are exceedingly compact, it&#039;s just that the available size optimizations are much smaller for longer lenses. So the 45-200&#039;s not all that much smaller than your average 50-200 APS-C lens but you can lose the 7-14/4 inside the lens cap of Nikon&#039;s 14-24.The reason is the compromises inherent to lens design. With lenses longer than the camera&#039;s register, you can use symmetrical or telephoto lens designs. Symmetrical designs have the optical group&#039;s centre at infinity focus located the focal length from the film/centre plane. Telephoto lenses have the lens group located closer to the film plane than the focal length. This results in a certain lower limit to lens size for a given focal length and as these designs typically have much more coverage than needed (most 35mm SLR designs for 300mm lenses will cover MF if the appropriate mount were attatched) so you don&#039;t get a size advantage from reducing coverage.With lenses shorter than the register, with SLR&#039;s you need to use retrofocal designs, which result in lenses which are physically longer than the focal length, and the lenses tend to grow as focal length gets shorter. With mirrorless designs you don&#039;t need to do this and the lenses can stay very compact unless other considerations (usually the combination of large apertures and small diameter mounts) force you to use retrofocal designs. Also coverage is much harder to achieve so smaller formats allow less complex designs at a given focal length. This means that the wider the lens, the larger the size advantage for m43 cameras.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, all of the m4/3rds zooms are exceedingly compact, it&#8217;s just that the available size optimizations are much smaller for longer lenses. So the 45-200&#8242;s not all that much smaller than your average 50-200 APS-C lens but you can lose the 7-14/4 inside the lens cap of Nikon&#8217;s 14-24.</p><p>The reason is the compromises inherent to lens design. With lenses longer than the camera&#8217;s register, you can use symmetrical or telephoto lens designs. Symmetrical designs have the optical group&#8217;s centre at infinity focus located the focal length from the film/centre plane. Telephoto lenses have the lens group located closer to the film plane than the focal length. This results in a certain lower limit to lens size for a given focal length and as these designs typically have much more coverage than needed (most 35mm SLR designs for 300mm lenses will cover MF if the appropriate mount were attatched) so you don&#8217;t get a size advantage from reducing coverage.</p><p>With lenses shorter than the register, with SLR&#8217;s you need to use retrofocal designs, which result in lenses which are physically longer than the focal length, and the lenses tend to grow as focal length gets shorter. With mirrorless designs you don&#8217;t need to do this and the lenses can stay very compact unless other considerations (usually the combination of large apertures and small diameter mounts) force you to use retrofocal designs. Also coverage is much harder to achieve so smaller formats allow less complex designs at a given focal length. This means that the wider the lens, the larger the size advantage for m43 cameras.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Adam Maas</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6129</link> <dc:creator>Adam Maas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:11:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6129</guid> <description>Yeah, Nikon&#039;s with aperture rings won&#039;t be an issue although knowing Sony you&#039;ll need a chipped adapter to get IS. A third-party adapter will be needed though.It&#039;s M mount which is the real question (and one place where Samsung blew it). If you can adapt M mount, there&#039;s a huge ready-made market, if not m43 will continue to dominate for adaptation.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Nikon&#8217;s with aperture rings won&#8217;t be an issue although knowing Sony you&#8217;ll need a chipped adapter to get IS. A third-party adapter will be needed though.</p><p>It&#8217;s M mount which is the real question (and one place where Samsung blew it). If you can adapt M mount, there&#8217;s a huge ready-made market, if not m43 will continue to dominate for adaptation.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Daniel*1977</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6128</link> <dc:creator>Daniel*1977</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Feb 2010 13:47:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6128</guid> <description>I got NX10 am very positively surprised!
I wonder what will sony. Well, that would be competition in the market - the customer will enjoy.
If You are interested, here is my stream with pictures taken with NX10:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/didmyself/sets/72157623212388171/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got NX10 am very positively surprised!<br
/> I wonder what will sony. Well, that would be competition in the market &#8211; the customer will enjoy.<br
/> If You are interested, here is my stream with pictures taken with NX10:<br
/> <a
href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/didmyself/sets/72157623212388171/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/didmyself/sets/72157623212388171/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LGo</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6121</link> <dc:creator>LGo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:56:45 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6121</guid> <description>:-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img
src='http://photorumors.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: LGo</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6120</link> <dc:creator>LGo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6120</guid> <description>... but by being able to use existing lenses (specially smaller prime lenses as well as lenses designed for APS-C sensor bodies), one will not need to spend a fortune to amass a collection of lenses for the EV-IL camera.Besides, some of the zoom lens made for m4/3 body are anything but small.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; but by being able to use existing lenses (specially smaller prime lenses as well as lenses designed for APS-C sensor bodies), one will not need to spend a fortune to amass a collection of lenses for the EV-IL camera.</p><p>Besides, some of the zoom lens made for m4/3 body are anything but small.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sky</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6118</link> <dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:45:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6118</guid> <description>&quot;I need HD viewfinder in this EVIL&quot;
fixed.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I need HD viewfinder in this EVIL&#8221;<br
/> fixed.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sky</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6117</link> <dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:44:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6117</guid> <description>lol?! What for? It&#039;s totally useless in every single DSLR that allows that high iso.
Equally good they could go with ISOkazillion - noone would use it anyway.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol?! What for? It&#8217;s totally useless in every single DSLR that allows that high iso.<br
/> Equally good they could go with ISOkazillion &#8211; noone would use it anyway.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kyle</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6115</link> <dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:35:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6115</guid> <description>Dear me. Sorry for overlooking the obvious…</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear me. Sorry for overlooking the obvious…</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mario</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6114</link> <dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:45:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6114</guid> <description>I need viewfinder in this EVIL</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need viewfinder in this EVIL</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joseph</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6112</link> <dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:21:32 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6112</guid> <description>It would be great in a full-sensor—and Sony may eventually be first in full-frame mirroless system.C-frame is a good beginning, I hope they create a true hybrid—like the Panasonic GH1.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be great in a full-sensor—and Sony may eventually be first in full-frame mirroless system.</p><p>C-frame is a good beginning, I hope they create a true hybrid—like the Panasonic GH1.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: vincent</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6113</link> <dc:creator>vincent</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 15:23:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6113</guid> <description>iso 102,400 please.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iso 102,400 please.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lorenzo</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6110</link> <dc:creator>Lorenzo</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:50:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6110</guid> <description>I can use Sony or Nikon lenses also on the m43 cameras. The point is different: Mirrorless camera are mirrorless not only because this way they are smaller, but also because this way dedicated lenses can be smaller but as good as lenses for mirror cameras.
Using bulky lenses on small cameras is counterproductive: it is not a small &quot;package&quot;, and its weight is far unbalanced toward the lens (which is bad, especially if you use a tripod).
So, where was I... ah yes, DEDICATED lens roadmap... where is it?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can use Sony or Nikon lenses also on the m43 cameras. The point is different: Mirrorless camera are mirrorless not only because this way they are smaller, but also because this way dedicated lenses can be smaller but as good as lenses for mirror cameras.<br
/> Using bulky lenses on small cameras is counterproductive: it is not a small &#8220;package&#8221;, and its weight is far unbalanced toward the lens (which is bad, especially if you use a tripod).<br
/> So, where was I&#8230; ah yes, DEDICATED lens roadmap&#8230; where is it?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kokoro</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6109</link> <dc:creator>Kokoro</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:45:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6109</guid> <description>Does the world really need yet another lens mount?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the world really need yet another lens mount?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Richard</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6108</link> <dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:42:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6108</guid> <description>It would be interesting to see if someone could come up with an electronic adapter which would enable auto-focus and such on at least some lenses. Some clever engineer may already be at work on the concept, if not the actual piece (as the specifics are not yet known). The posting implies that this will be the way the alpha lenses work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to see if someone could come up with an electronic adapter which would enable auto-focus and such on at least some lenses. Some clever engineer may already be at work on the concept, if not the actual piece (as the specifics are not yet known). The posting implies that this will be the way the alpha lenses work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mistral75</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6107</link> <dc:creator>Mistral75</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 13:34:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6107</guid> <description>If there is an adapter, which will be easy since the flange/register of such camera will be shorter than the Nikon F one, you can use Nikkors on it, but not G lenses: you need a diaphragm ring otherwise you will only be able to shot at full aperture  for the adapter will be purely mechanical with no electronic coupling whatsoever.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there is an adapter, which will be easy since the flange/register of such camera will be shorter than the Nikon F one, you can use Nikkors on it, but not G lenses: you need a diaphragm ring otherwise you will only be able to shot at full aperture  for the adapter will be purely mechanical with no electronic coupling whatsoever.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sky</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6106</link> <dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:50:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6106</guid> <description>if someone will make an adapter - sure. And making Nikon mount adapter for mirrorless camera shouldn&#039;t be difficult... something like &quot;make it in your backyard&quot; as it won&#039;t require lens.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if someone will make an adapter &#8211; sure. And making Nikon mount adapter for mirrorless camera shouldn&#8217;t be difficult&#8230; something like &#8220;make it in your backyard&#8221; as it won&#8217;t require lens.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Sky</title><link>http://photorumors.com/2010/02/11/sony-evil-camera-specs/comment-page-1/#comment-6105</link> <dc:creator>Sky</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:49:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://photorumors.com/?p=3427#comment-6105</guid> <description>One billion dollar toy?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One billion dollar toy?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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