Rokinon to announce their new 50mm f/1.2 lens on August 26th

Rokinon 50mm f:1.2 lens
The previously rumored 50mm f/1.2 lens will most likely be announced on August 26th according to this Facebook post.

Update: there is also a new Samyang lens teaser:

New-Samyang-lens-teaser

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  • sneeze

    Holy smoking cow batman! A news-worthy Rokinon announcement.

  • Shaul

    August 26th…

  • Global

    Is this supposed to have good Coma control (astrophotography)?

    I heard that many folks use Samyangs for astro. But is this intentionally supposed to be better than a Noct? Or is it f/1.2 for bokeh?

    • http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com/ genotypewriter

      f/1.2-like lenses are optimised for keeping things together at wide apertures rather than giving the highest image quality possible. But then again Samyang’s 14/2.8 and 24/1.4 perform quite well compared to Canon and Nikon options… defying what we’ve come to expect from such lenses.

      Sigma and Zeiss have had their best attempts at this focal length and we can see what’s possible with a complex lens design. If this new Samyang is not as big (or bigger) I wouldn’t expect it to be in the same game as the other two.

      • Global

        I’m not understanding your reply. Is there any indication if this is designed just for subject isolation & great bokeh, or is it designed for coma control and low-light? Or perhaps this is intended to be as sharp as possible at f/1.4 or f/1.8 but with perhaps has unfavorable bokeh and average coma?

        I just wonder what the lens designers intention is.

        • http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com/ genotypewriter

          Lens designers’ intentions? No one knows… it’s pretty much a rumor at this stage.

          What I can tell you is what’s as good… you just need to see how big it is. Wait until a photo leaks out and you’ll know how it compares to the Sigma A 50 and Otus 55. If the scale is correct in that teaser, it will be just a regular 50/1.2.

          What do you intend on shooting with it if it had good coma control?

          • Dpablo unfiltered

            If the outline in the photo of the line of lenses is about correct then it looks as big as the 85 f1.4 that sits next to it, which is probably plenty. And I don’t know that you can’t make a lens with low comma and still have great bokeh. The 58 f1.2 did both and it was smaller than the new lenses. I think the lenses are getting larger because most of the * test sites are giving as much weight to distortion and vignetting as they are to sharpness. I suppose also that the elimination of aberration and the optimization for digital sensors is also causing a size increase.

          • http://genotypewritings.blogspot.com/ genotypewriter

            If you look closely, it’s the hood. The Sigma 50 A and Otus 55 are larger.

            While test sites show vignetting and distortion figures, if you see what people say, they don’t care about those as much because they can be “corrected” in post. Heck… they don’t even care about lateral CA because they think they can correct things in post.

          • Dpablo unfiltered

            But all the lenses are wearing hoodies. Then again, I’ve not held their 85 lens, so I don’t know. I’m sure it’s bigger than my 50 f1.2 and likely bigger than the old 58. I would consider this if it were comparable to the latest plastic f1.8 lens.

          • Global

            Yes, but SHARP wide open and bokeh sometimes conflict. For astrophotography, better if its sharp wide open (and that would go along with coma control as a marketing strength). Samyang has a group of astrophotographers who loyally use some of their lenses. So that’s why I ask.

            By contrast, if going for the Bokeh and “1.2” as a status symbol crowd (because its marketably desirable), its possible that coma control is not a consideration or priority, and even that sharpness wide open may not exist (a few stops closed and sharpen, perhaps, like the 58mm Nikon).

            Since Samyang announced this lens early on, I was just wondering if they are giving any hints.

          • Dpablo unfiltered

            I’m going to have to guess that it would be sharper than the old 50 and 55 f1.2 lenses wide open or nobody will want it or have a reason to buy it. It is certainly larger. If it is in the range of the new 58 it will probably sell alright since it will cost a third as much and have metal construction. Is there anything lacking in the bokeh of the new Sigma or Zeiss lenses?

        • TinusVerdino

          What do you mean by coma control? As little as possible? Or control over the amount of coma? (because for portrait a little coma is nice)

          • Global

            Normally when we speak of controlling something considered to be negative, we mean less of it. When controlling something positive, we mean more of it. “Quality control.” = more = good. Coma is a bad thing that causes light points to flare at wide apertures (so is not good for city night images or astrophotography, etc). So “Coma control” = less = good.

            There’s no lens that would ever want to increase coma. But some lenses have it because they are emphasizing other qualities and its hard to control this, which is why “NOCT” type lenses exist — to control coma. The Nikon 50 1.2 NOCT is a famous 1.2 lens designed to control coma. So Samyang might be chasing that legacy (at a fraction of the price of a Nikon 58/1.4 noct or a 50/1.2 NOCT or even a Sigma 50/1.4 ART, which controls coma well as well). I would love for Samyang to make a NOCT (coma control) 50 1.2 because Samyangs are very cheap and good for astrophotography (instead of more expensive specialty lenses). The f/1.2 is an added bonus, because it allows lower light conditions, especially if its sharp (also good for astrophotography). And bokeh enthusiasts will love f1.2 for creating dreamy bokeh scenes. However, sharpness, bokeh, and coma control (as well as chromatic aberration, etc, etc, etc, etc) often fight against each other.

            So lens designers need to pick one or two things that a lens is going to be good at. Sometimes when lenses are announced in advance, the manufacturer give a hint at its intention. Thats why im wondering if this is good for astrophotography (coma control & sharp) or if its for bokeh (and possibly not sharp and possibly with uncontrolled coma, etc) or some other reason.

    • Les

      Realistically, the 1.2 maximum aperture is intended to cash-in on the “wide aperture/shallow depth of field” look.

      I think that this look is already dated (it was a big thing in food photography in the late 1990s), but it makes sense in the context of video. High resolution, saturation, and micro contrast are irrelevant when your output format is web-compressed 1080p or 4k.

      If anything, the opposite seems to be the case: hip videographers are embracing a flat “ungraded” look, presumably because that’s what comes-out of high-end cameras. 10 years ago, you had to reassure first-time directors that their colors would come back in post, and now they are unhappy if you add any sparkle to their raw footage.

      • zev

        low quality lenses have nothing to do with what your so called ‘hip videographers’ want in a flat picture profile.

  • McDonnie

    rokinen 50mm F0.95 AF lens?

  • Genkakuzai

    Wouldn’t it sort of make sense to call the lens by the name of the actual maker rather than one of its rebrands? I know it’s the exact same lens, but Samyang remains the manufacturer afaik.

    • Nina B

      Indeed, Rokinon is a brand owned by Elite Brands, a NYC based marketer. The lenses are designed and made by Samyamg Optics of Masan, Korea.

      The Rokinon carton graphics is different, so it’s an added value :)

  • Spy Black

    Now that this is out of the, let’s hope they start concentrating on a 135mm f/2. Exciting times for third-party lens manufacturers. Let’s hope this thing rocks.

    I agree with others here, this is a Samyang, NOT a Rokinon.

  • TinusVerdino

    That looks like the cine line-up so I doubt this is about the 50 F1.2 if it is a Cine lens it will more likely be a 50 T1.3

    • Bryan Lo

      Don’t they have photo versions of their cine lenses?

      • TinusVerdino

        more like the other way around

  • NancyP

    Samyang lenses to date have been excellent for astrophotography due to low coma aberration, apparently part of the design philosophy of Samyang optical designers. I think that they make excellent lenses for the manual focus lens enthusiasts who can’t afford Zeiss Otuses (Oti?). That being said, the Sigma Art lenses (35 and 50mm) have had quite low coma, the 50mm amazingly low at f/1.4.

  • McDonnie

    Please be a 50mm f0.95 Autofocus lens….

    • Bryan Lo

      I wonder if that’s technically possible.

      • Neopulse

        Yeah it is possible. Would be pricey though and most likely slow. But then again there was a Zeiss 1700mm f/4 made for 6×6 with AF. So anything is possible.

  • Global

    I think Samyang should drop the Rokinon name and just go with Samyang. Why does it have so many names? They make good lenses quite often, so they should start thinking about unifying their branding more.

  • Riccardo

    It’s a disappointment!
    The european website of samyang has already pics of the new Cine 50mm, and it’s a f1.5 lens so the photo version will be only f1.4.
    I really appreciate samyang lenses because they use to fill niches uncovered by main brands but what’s the use of a manual 50mm f1.4 that probably will cost the same of the 50mm f1.4 Nikkor AFS? This lens could have had a sense only if f1.2.

  • emaktor

    It’s a 50mm 1.5 CINE, look at their facebook page :(

    • http://photorumors.com/ PhotoRumors

      They released also a photo version – I updated my post.

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