Confirmed: new Zeiss Otus 85/1.4 and Distagon 35/1.4 ZM lenses to be announced

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A quick update to my earlier post - Zeiss will announce at least two more new lenses at Photokina:

  • Zeiss Otus 85/1.4 (ZE, ZF.2 mounts)
  • Zeiss Distagon 35/1.4 ZM (Leica M mount)

Stay tuned for additional details.

Update: here is the first picture of the new Otus 85/1.4.

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  • hexx

    zeiss is on the roll it seems, can’t really imagine how 85mm otus will perform after seeing what it’s other sibling can do – quite crazy 🙂

    • See the comments section for what could be the first sample: http://photorumors.com/2014/09/03/zeiss-updated-their-photokina-teaser-more-lenses-to-come/

      • longzoom

        Blurred unsharp image, terrible light and composition, perspective is not up to 85mm. Very bad, such the pic can compromise any lens, do not mention new Otus. So what is hysteric created around that poor image?

        • TinusVerdino

          Never heard of Bokeh?

          • longzoom

            Do not confuse bokeh with poor amateurish blurred pic. There is no bokeh on the image, worth to speak about. Aesthetically terrible image, as well.

          • TinusVerdino

            Do not confuse your opinion with truth

          • longzoom

            Clear kind of demagogue, bearer of truth, hah! Are you author of that garbage?

          • TinusVerdino

            Are you having a discussion with your self now?

          • longzoom

            Listen to me, mister: I’ve taken much more than 5 million pics – 90% of them were(are) garbage. Nobody, never ever have seen my garbage – me only. You are posting your garbage, so, you should wait for negative reaction. What’s wrong? Course – consequences…

          • TinusVerdino

            As far as I know I am not called Chris Gampat. So maybe you should take up you’re issues with him. (Sorry Chris).

          • longzoom

            OK, Chris made mistake, and you shouldn’t advocate him. I am really surprise with moderator position – why post so low quality pic? It is very first presentation of extremely important optical instrument – do you really want any future adds from manufacturers, Mr. Moderator?

          • El Aura

            And last time I checked bokeh means out-of-focus rendering, ie, any image with a noticeable amount of out-of-focus areas is by definition showing the bokeh of a lens.

            You use the classic tactics of a polemic response: Deny reality (the image shows the bokeh of the lens), use the most hyperbolic way possible to express any criticism (terrible light and composition), portray your subjective judgement as absolute truth (very bad picture), and pretend things having happened that actually just happened in your mind (hysteric response).

            Now you see how easy it is to slam something, if you can spray vitriol, I can do so to. The only difference is you did so unprompted, whereas I merely returned the favour.

          • longzoom

            I am able to judge your qualification, if you see anything usable in that image. The rest is demagogue.

          • TinusVerdino

            Have you been voting for your own posts? That’s really sad you know.

          • longzoom

            Sorry but I did not get it. Would you clarify?

          • TinusVerdino
          • longzoom

            Dirty tricks, my friend, what is that. You, guys, have no arguments, just tricks like this one.

          • El Aura

            Did I say the image provides any clear information regarding the quality of the lens? The image is simply way to small to say much about the lens, except that the out-of-focus rendering looks ok (it doesn’t really stand out in a positive or negative way). The photo was posted as a piece of evidence that somebody was shooting with a non-disclosed 85 mm lens (I don’t remember if the photographer had any know association with Zeiss).

            But you missed the actual point completely and had nothing better to do slam the image as terrible (which from a technical point was rather preposterous as the image is way to small to say much about that). You also know that apart from objective technical flaws (as much as be said based on the small images is that is properly exposed, the focus seems to be where is should be, ie, face/eyes, no obvious technical artefacts like motion blur), judging the quality of an image is not an exact science and in the end is the opinion of the majority. If out of ten random people, nine say the image looks decent (except for the feet), and one person thinks its terrible, the most likely explanation that the latter just had a bad day (or is generally a very negative person).

          • longzoom

            I could be very, very negative person, why not? But for last 55 years from my 70, I’ve been making every penny from photography. So my job is a sacred cow for me. And everything what connected to it. Thousands people in Japan spent a lot of efforts to make outstanding optics. Thousands sellers around the Globe wants to sell it to survive. Everyday fighting for survive. Dozens of thousand people dreaming to get it. And, its happened, very famous and respectful source has posted very first image! And what? Extremely bad image taken with unknown lens, but inside the Zeiss topic! What do you think, how many potential buyers are lost forever? At the time the damn phones are killing real photography? Think about that, even if you far from pro photo!

          • Carlos

            Come on, truth is, that picture could have been taken with any lens. It shows nothing Zeiss lens specific, even less OTUS related qualities.

          • TinusVerdino

            At the moment I have the auto exaktar 35mm F2.8 lens on my camera. It couldn’t have made this pic. Before I found the exif I guessed it was either a 50/55 or a 85 (depending on sensor size) and fast, because of the OOF parts. So no not any lens.

          • Be real… are you able to take a photo from the said lens that sets it apart from the worst 85/1.4 that you can think of?

            A lot of times, we can’t tell the difference unless things are kept side by side. 85/1.4 type lenses are generally of a very good standard and differences aren’t obvious.

          • It’s the comment – it says it was a new lens. The exif shows 85mm f/1.4.

          • longzoom

            There is not even smallest attribute of the Otus, correct. As usual, no arguments, just demagogue.

          • El Aura

            It seems that as long as there is one person on Earth that thinks an image lacks in certain aspects, the image is essentially useless.

            Good luck enjoying your own photography if you believe the above. Because unless you never show them to anybody, you will have to accept that they will likely all be judged useless.

          • longzoom

            There is nothing to judge, sorry.

        • Did the poster of the photo say it demonstrates good lighting and composition? If not, why are you judging it that way?

          Also, I’m sure you think that all actors must look a certain way and that all singers must have one voice type and all songs must sound one way. Don’t be scared of variety.

          • longzoom

            What this image is carrying to say it is really new Otus? Do not miss the main body of discussion, please.

          • See my post below… there are like 10 different 85/1.4 lenses out there. Do you think you can take a photo from any of them that would look noticeably worse had it been done by any of the others? Do not miss the logic, please.

          • longzoom

            Let me have all of them, in my studio. I’ll set 100% guarantee you’ll see the significant difference between them. But the test must be done by me.

          • Neopulse

            Ehh I can say I’ve seen difference between lenses of a particular class especially when shot in different scenarios. Even lenses that give a certain “look” to situations that are characteristic of that company.

          • longzoom

            A lot of years ago my company asked Leica to send several 85 R lenses (5 or 6 items) to let me perform on some military project. Needless to say, Germans were extremely accurate, as usual, BTW. Every lens was tested by them, and documented exemplary and precisely. So every item had very small difference in RGB ratio, as well as in angle of view. For example, #2 had 28,67 degree, #4 28,59 degree, so on. I do not remember exact numbers, just to give an idea what I mean. So I think you get me – what can we say about manufacturers around the Globe…

          • Neopulse

            I do get ya. Although can’t speak at the scientific/tested aspect of it as you can since I’ve never been involved at such a degree (pardon my ignorance in that area), but I know that not all glass is the same.

          • You’ve missed the point and the punchline.

        • Zograf

          The sole of the foot is dirty 🙁 To me this is the biggest failure of the shot. Small details can ruin the image, even with the best (yet to be seen) 85 optics.

  • Kynikos

    And now… price?
    At $4K I would have a decision to make.
    At $6K, my 1.4D stays in my bag and I just keep saving up for the 200/2.

    • longzoom

      What I believe, the 85 Ot will not be as complicated as their 55. Narrower angle of view. So, I, personally, think about $2500.

      • Kynikos

        I hope you’re right.
        I have my doubts though, as in the non-Zeiss world the nifty-fifty-ish primes are almost without exception the least expensive.

      • Neopulse

        Elaborate on what you meant “as complicated?”

        • longzoom

          Do find online Zeiss’s description how they made it. They even used some elements from previous 6×6 wide lens.

          • Neopulse

            Hmmm… well we’ll see the final retail product though. The one at Photokina is a prototype that they like to show before the actual release or when the final touches are done. But I have this Inkling feeling it’s going to be the best portrait prime lens out there.

          • longzoom

            Truth to be told, me too!

  • 35/1.4 Distagon… bet it’ll work well with mirrorless bodies with an adapter too. Zeiss should release a new line of M mount lenses along with smart adapters that can add things like aperture control and AF on mirrorless bodies.

    • Henry

      Indeed, or even better : a new Zeis Ikon DIGITAL FF RANGEFINDER !!

      • Kynikos

        *slobber*

  • Neopulse

    They are going to be beast lenses. Can’t wait to see them in action. Will the 35mm be made in Cosina? I’m asking since personally I like the look of those lenses.

  • William

    Great! Waiting for the usual nincompoops to put those on Nex, or even worse, m43. That will be funny.

    • Kynikos

      I don’t care what bodies they get put on as long as:

      –people shoot them and enjoy them

      –enough people buy them so Zeiss keep making high quality lenses

  • booh

    Distagon. Bet it’s gotta be huge, though the ZM line was never really small…

    Still, good to see that they didn’t forget this long overdue lens.

  • longzoom

    Oh, BTW. There is an 100% crop, taken by me, wide open, posted among the VERY first images taken with 55 Otus, in the USA. And I am still thinking that this lens is the best one thru human history, among any 50-th mm, today, of course. Just do not say you see no difference, hah! (Sorry the full original is too big to post here, but find it in Flickr!)

  • longzoom

    Sorry, some mistake, but you can see the crop.

    • TinusVerdino

      I see sharpening or nr masks. Heavy post processing.

  • rt-photography

    no thank you. ill wait for the SIgma 85 1.4 ART.

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