Pentax full frame DSLR camera updates

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October 6th passed and we did not see any official announcement for the Pentax full frame DSLR camera (the original rumor came from dpreview). The latest rumors I received point to a 36MP sensor from Sony and no 4K video recording capabilities (the previous 42MP sensor rumors came from a Tamron rep).

According to this post by Kenneth Baluba Sporsheim (Ricoh ambassador) the Pentax full frame DSLR camera was delayed because of the K-3 II power-off issue:

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The Pentax K-3 camera is currently on sale for $649.

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  • I’ve been told differently compared to what Kenneth knows… it seemed to be some pentaprism issue.

  • Bo Dez

    am i the only one who thinks it’s stupid doing a mysterious reveal when they already revealed the camera months ago?

    • they just showed a prototype, the real thing could be slightly different

      • Bo Dez

        I bet it’s very similar. It’s pretty thoughtless marketing, IMO.

  • Ufupuw

    Does anyone know if 36 MP sensor can do 4K video? Also 4K video will require upgrading imaging processor,

    I would be a bit skeptical about 4K part of the rumor

    • 4k is 8mp. 1080p is 2mp. Doing 24-30 fps at a reasonable bitrate is the where the workload comes in.

      • Ufupuw

        8 MP at 25 fps isn’t easy. Both the sensor and especially imaging processor (that encodes to H.264) would have to be upgraded,

        • Zos Xavius

          Yeah, that’s why the A7s is only 4k with an external recorder. Part of the push towards a stacked sensor was to improve the link between sensor and imaging pipeline.

          • Frank

            If an iPhone can do 4k, there’s literally no reason for not to be in an any DSLR.

          • true

            dslrs have larger sensors, generating more heat in video mode than sensors from m43 or video cams or phones

            and technically it might be different to implement

  • Zos Xavius

    Wait, you are in my pentaxian group? 🙂

  • sperdynamite

    I seriously doubt anyone will really care if this camera can’t do 4k.

    • Zos Xavius

      Because 4k is the only feature photographers care about. Right.

      • sperdynamite

        I don’t think you read my comment correctly…

        • Zos Xavius

          OMG! I totally misread that as the opposite statement! You have my apologies. Can you tell I haven’t slept much lately? 🙂

          • 24×36

            Did you mean you “couldn’t care less?” Because if you COULD care less, then you care…

          • zebman

            Actually, if he could care less it does not say anything about how he cares. It just says at what ever level he cares (which he did not say), it is possible for him to care even less. So, I guess it says he currently is not in a state of caring the least possible.

  • CaMeRa QuEsT

    Why would Pentax enter the FF fray with a D810 clone? Unless it’s priced much cheaper, I doubt many people other than really hard core Pentaxians (how many of those still exist?) will care…

    • Daniel M

      I’M HEREEE

      • CaMeRa QuEsT

        Oh! Hi there! I owned a MX-1 for a couple of months, before buying my first DSLR (a Nikon), so a past felow Pentaxian here.

    • AYWY

      Theoretically, Nikon is missing a small market segment who wants a D8xx in a tough, weather-sealed body like their Dx series. Sort of like the D3x. Which Nikon refuses to make since they presumably want to reduce product cannibalization.

      Pentax is of course well known for tough weather-sealed bodies and lenses. Plus Nikon has been aggravating their customer base with service advisories for almost every new product launch.

      Of course the big question is how many people are willing to re-invest in new bodies and lenses just for the added toughness and sealing. There are big questions about lens availability, AF performance compared to Canikon, etc…. The new lenses released by Tamron and Sigma do not even offer a K-mount option.

      So yes count me in as one of those who currently can’t see how Ricoh justifies the revenue opportunities.

      • Gustavo Jota

        More options are always better, and FF is not heaven, medium format is… We have to remember film days, when 35mm was a standard with Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Pentax, Olympus and many others… This will happen again, but right now FF is a working project for the entire industry, why? Just take a look at the size of a FF camera, ridiculous!

        • 24×36

          There’s nothing “ridiculous” about the size of a FF camera. If you’re looking for “ridiculous,” look at APS-C DSLRs; when you compare same manufacturer/build quality APS-C vs. FF offerings, there is virtually NO size difference – despite the sensor being less than half the size. Now THAT’s ridiculous!

          As for medium format, that’s only “heaven” if the range of tools (i.e., lenses) you want is very limited. FF is indeed heaven, as it has a range of optics simply not available in other formats, combined with the largest PRACTICAL format, to maximize quality. And yes, more options are always better!

      • 24×36

        I don’t think Nikon is missing the “market segment” you describe. The D810 is already a tough, weather-sealed body, the distinction between it and the Dx series being more a matter of no integrated grip and not having certain additional controls and displays. Pentax’s FF will be closer to the D810 in nature (i.e., add-on grip) than it will be to the Dx series, unless they do something that for Pentax is pretty radical (i.e., integrate the grip).

        By the look of the prism housing, Ricoh might be differentiating their FF DSLR in a way that I’ve always said would fit them perfectly, that being including a big honking viewfinder (i.e., break the 70% magnification ceiling that seems to have taken hold in the AF era). We shall see…

        As for the third party options that have largely disappeared over recent years, that’s exactly why Ricoh/Pentax needs a FF DSLR – because they have been bleeding customers with the entrenched “bottom feeding” strategy employed since AF took hold (the “APS-C only” foolishness being just the latest chapter) and they need to reverse that trend to be taken seriously as an option to Nikon and Canon. Also seems like you’ll have indirect access to Tamron glass for certain ranges (see the 24-70 that looks like a Tamron clone without the VC feature).

      • zebman

        They will sell it to Samsung.

    • So a camera that shares a single component from another camera (the sensor) is suddenly a “clone” of that camera? What kind of bizarre logic is that? There’s a heck of a lot more to a camera than how many pixels it captures.

      Can I have some of what you’re smoking? It must be good stuff.

      • CaMeRa QuEsT

        Bringing to market a 36mp FF camera that doesn’t seem to add much to compete well against the D800 from 4 years prior (IBIS would be swell if Pentax had good video chops) seems like too much of a want to cash in on FF longing Pentaxians. It is a too narrowly focused marketing strategy if they are indeed going to use the 36mp chip instead of the 42mp. With the 42mp they could at least have 4k on board and try to shake off their bad video reputation.

        • Your insight into the camera industry is uncanny. It’s all about the megapixels captured in stills and videos, right? That’s amazing. Oh please continue to enlighten me.

          • CaMeRa QuEsT

            If they are going to bother, they might as well as put the additional effort to make a camera that will pike the interest of people other than just the few Pentaxians left. The idea of any venture is to earn the $$$hizzle, if you appeal to a broader customer base you can move more volume, basic business strategy 101. If the rumors are true, then they are cornering themselves to a tiny bit of the FF market. With not many native lenses to speak for, compared to CaNikon, they really, REALLY need to stand out to be able to compete.

        • zebman

          Well, Pentax slr owners tend to be value driven, otherwise they would use Canon or Nikon. So, lets say they offer the newest 42 mp sensor at $3,000 plus. Do not think it would be hitting the sweet spot of Pentax market. They want to offer an affordable, modern FF digital version of LX.

    • 24×36

      Because it gives people a reason to stay with Pentax instead of moving to Nikon or Canon (when they want FF), or to consider Pentax instead of Nikon or Canon (if they are new camera buyers looking at FF DSLRs).

      Don’t get me wrong, it’s long overdue and much of the damage is already done, but the bleeding has to stop if they’re to have any chance.

    • true

      If this FF camera has IBIS, it kills D810 with that alone.

    • nicolaie

      Pentax wishes that they could do a clone of the D810. It will be more like a D610 with the D810 sensor.

  • malchick743

    The K-3 II power-off issue is interesting. Does it have a mechanical power switch like on the Nikons?

    For the record, my F100 bought in the mid-2000s had the same problem (cannot power off) and it happened just three months after purchase. The upper PCB had to be replaced as a result. So maybe some K3-IIs have similar PCB problem?

  • Gustavo Jota

    Video? No use for it.

  • true

    Is aps-c now officially dead then?

  • julius77

    No matter what Pentax/Ricoh comes out with they must increase their advertisement if they want to increase their share of the Nikon/Pentax market. Or maybe they like it this way…

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