Panasonic will have 8k video sensor by 2018

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Panasonic will resume the development of sensors capable of recording 8k video and wants to bring this technologies to consumer level cameras. The company halted their 8k development back in 2011, but now they are investing over $80 million in the next generation 8k image sensor that should be ready by 2018 (previous plans were for 2020).

It is not official, but I believe that Panasonic is behind the latest full frame sensor found in the Leica Q camera.

Via Nikkei, image via Wikipedia

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  • Mike

    Wasn’t it just a few years ago (and still today) everyone lamented the space and processing requirements 36mp would take? Now 8k is roughly equal to 33mp and everyone is excited. But that’s 33mp at 24 or 25 or 30 or 60 fps. Kinda makes 36mp at 1 fps seem cute.

    • MdB

      4K frames are currently roughly 0.5MB per frame on the majority of ‘consumer’ devices. At similar compression you are looking at roughly 4x that for 8K, not exactly unmanageable. Though that is not an exact due to the way the compression works, you are probably looking at roughly around double 4K rather than 4x.

      • Eno

        I was referring to h.265 codec which is is two times more efficient than the current h.264 codec used in Gh4.

    • Eno

      You can have very good 8K video quality at 200 Mb/sec 30 fps and 300 Mb/sec at 60 fps compressed in h.265 codec. Storage is not a problem.

  • Eno

    Good news. This probably means GH5 (or whatever the name) will come in 2016 with probably 6K video and 60p 4K, followed two years later by the next GH camera with organic sensor and 8K video.

  • PHILIPPOS RAFTOPOULOS

    New, higher resolution…. Yeah!!!
    Down the drain go our expensive 4K monitors, our computers following soon after, expensive software will have to be $$ updated $$, even our cables will be obsolete. Every piece of expensive hardware will have to be replaced with even more expensive hardware…. and for what?

    I can’t even begin to describe the level of make up artistry that’s going to be necessary for all people (like wedding guests) to appear acceptable in 8K…

    • Eno

      Let’s keep progress down because you don’t want or have to invest in space storage, faster computing power etc. “You made such a good point here”.

      Only shooting higher res man get’s perfect 4K, it’s a known fact. You don’t even need to have a 8K TV to enjoy the benefits of 8K video like: perfect 4K image, better stabilization, cropping, zooming etc.

      • PHILIPPOS RAFTOPOULOS

        You show an understanding in my need to charge my clients more for my gear, that they unfortunately seem to completely lack.

        HD has come and gone, 4k has come and is already on it’s way, yet most people are still OK watching their weddings on DVD…
        Is 8K really necessary?

        • Eno

          This commentary is like: “there are people who still use a Pentium 4 computer, do we need the Intel core i-7 10 core or AMD ZEN processors next year?”. 🙂

          • PHILIPPOS RAFTOPOULOS

            No it’s not.
            It’s like “Do I really need a Porsche to do the 2 mile trip to work everyday?”
            I started giving my clients HD content a couple of years ago, first on Blu-Ray, then on USB sticks. You won’t believe how many people have never used them.
            Now I ask, do you want a DVD or Blu-Ray?
            almost nobody asks for Blu-ray.

          • Eno

            Good for you.
            Most of our clients actually ask about 4K content delivery.

          • PHILIPPOS RAFTOPOULOS

            Don’t get me wrong. My workflow is 4K from capture to delivery. It’s just that I see it go to waste most of the times.

          • Eric Calabros

            Sony Z5 Premium is under 6 inch and delivers 4k resolution. so if you scale it up 4x to have a 12 inch tablet, it would be 8k. I want that tablet, and I like to see your workflow on that tablet. Never underestimate the power of Details.

          • Piooof

            Reminds me when Apple issued the first “retina” (> 300 dpi) tablets. Half of the people didn’t see the difference. And this was with static images. Even with 20/20 vision, I’m afraid there’s a bottleneck in human image processing called the optic nerve. Limited biological channel capacity imposes that moving or off-center content is blurred (to an extent depending on eccentricity from the center of the retina). So, OK with 8k you’ll see very crisp mountains behind the hero (assuming they’re in focus…). I doubt it’ll make any difference to the experience of the spectator.

          • PHILIPPOS RAFTOPOULOS

            Yeah. And if you stick 4 iphones together you can have an ipad. I see no reasoning there.

            The question is will our clients accept the extra charges that we will ask them to pay in order to produce an 8K video of their wedding (or school play or soccer game), since most of them are OK with plain HD (end sometimes even SD)???

          • Not that it matters to you because obviously you want to give the client what they ask for, but do know what they actually DO with the 4k content you deliver? My guess is usually nothing.

          • HF

            Not really. At the typical viewing distances and with more and more older people with limited eye sight, I think it is overkill. The content is not getting better, too.

          • Eno

            There are many people awaiting this tech.Not to mention a lot of TV manufacturers to finally produce 8K OLED
            wallpaper TV’s.

            But nobody if forcing you to upgrade what you already have.

          • HF

            The industry certainly wants to earn money. How large the percentage of “people” awaiting this tech is in reality, is an other question.

  • El Aura

    Let’s not forget that 8K means 7680 horizontal pixels (if we stick to 16:9, if we used 1.9:1, we might get 8192). With 4:3 aspect ratio sensor that translates to 7680 x 5760 or 44 MP (or 50 MP if the second definition of 8K were applied).

    • Oberoth

      I am pretty sure they will be using the very loose definition of 1920×1080 x 16 = 33MP

      • El Aura

        Unless the next m43 cameras will have a 16:9 aspect ratio (as 1920 x 1080 has), a m43 sensor that provides 8K (7680 x 4320) video capture, will be 7680 pixels wide and (!) 5760 pixels high, ie, have 44 MP.

        • Eric Calabros

          a Noise Generator then

          • El Aura

            It would have the pixel size of a 25 MP 1″ sensor, the latter are already available with 20 MP since 2012 (Sony RX100). Going from 20 to 25 MP is not a huge step, a reduction in pixel size by 10%.

    • Eno

      Not if they use a multi aspect senor like in GH2. 🙂

  • EcoR1

    Panasonic stopped the image sensor development 2011, so I wonder what makes you think it’s behind the Leica-Q-sensor?

  • Oberoth

    I welcome 8k and even 16k development but right now i just want Panasonic (or Sony) to release a sub $1000 4k at 60p, ideally with H.265 compression.

    i.e a 60p update to their Panasonic HC-VX870K or Sony FDR-AX33.

  • Oberoth

    8k would be great for Digital Cinema but overkill for the current size of home TVs.

    I don’t know if its just because not that many people want massive TVs or transportation costs or another reason but as soon as you get above 60″ TVs start to increase in price crazily.

    I would love a 4k (or even 8k) 120″ OLED picture frame TV but if it even existed it would be ridiculous money, even though i could make a 120″ 8k TV for less than $5000 by mounting 4 x 60″ 4k TV on the wall!

  • Focuspuller

    Where does this end? Ever? For the home, ridiculous. For the next Michael Bay abomination? Great. For the artistic rendition of reality? Unnecessary. Perhaps for the granular surveillance of every citizen from space? Can’t wait.

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