The sensor inside the new Fuji X-Pro2 camera is made by Sony (and other interesting facts)

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A reader sent me some very interesting information on the new Fuji X-Pro2 camera ($1,699.95):

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  • Sensor manufactured by Sony
  • First Sony copper wiring on an APS-C-Sensor (but not BSI)
  • Camera Live View readout 85 fps (Sensor: 100 fps ready, Processor: 120fps ready, see below)
  • Processor "X-Pro" readout 480 Megapixels per second (former EXR II: 120 Megapixels per second)
  • Processor "X-Pro" capable of processing 20 images per second, 24 Megapixels each (former EXR II: 7.5 images per second, 16 Megapixels each)
  • Processor "X-Pro" is a Dual Cortex A7 (500 MHz) (former EXR II: Dual Cortex A4, 312 MHz)
  • Cortex A7 has an additional DSP (digital signal Processor) with real time data throughput (processing)
  • Processor "X-Pro" could process an EVF with 120 fps and XGA-resolution
  • Processor "X-Pro" is 4K 30fps ready, comment from Fuji: X-Pro 2 is focused on photos, 4K Video is reserved for a multimedia oriented model.
  • Processor "X-Pro" is USB 3.0 ready (but camera has USB 2.0)
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  • J.L. Williams

    So, the architecture should have no problems handling a putative X-T 2 with larger, higher-resolution EVF. Wonder what the future “multimedia-oriented” model might be? I’m guessing it would have to be a new branch on the Fuji family tree, to keep from offending the traditional-film-camera fanciers who form much of the X-series’ cult following.

    • Sean McCormack

      I dunno, it seems like am X-T2 feature to me. The T series is aimed at jobbing pros.

    • apw100

      I’m looking forward to an X-T3. I had to switch to a Nikon D750 as my primary camera because I needed to be able to shoot decent video and the Fuji cameras are among the worst in this regard.

  • Jaroslav Charvát

    If the readout is 480 MBps and the processing power thus is 20×24 (easy maths), I assume that is at 14 bit? And it includes some reasonable raw compression? So provided the camera had an interface and a card as fast as 480 MBps, it could theoretically do 20 fps like constantly?

  • Narretz

    That’s great info! So it’s actually a differnt sensor than the previous Sony 24MP sensor? What kind of a wiring did they use before that?

    • Not sure, but I think this will finally prove that other companies don’t have to wait 6 months in order to get the latest Sony sensor.

      • BP2012

        Latest or custom made for Fuji only?

      • CaMeRa QuEsT

        Unless Sony is indeed bringing a 36MP sensor with the A6000 replacement, as rumored in that “other” site. Admin, how much credence do you put in that hear-say?

        • I have not heard anything. Let’s just wait for a better, more reliable leak from digicame-info. I’ve seen so many a6000 replacement rumors that it is hard for me to believe any of them. So to answer your question – I put 0% credence but I could be wrong.

        • Zos Xavius

          They would be wise to just hold at 24mp and bring it up to the DR performance levels of the previous 16mp, though it looks like the sensor in the D7200 comes close.

      • MdB

        That was always nonsense. Sony don’t sell others their sensors used on their cams (a lot of the time). This sensor was announced a while ago, at the same time the 20MP 4/3’s sensor actually if memory serves. It would have been made available as soon as production was ready. Nothing to do with a ‘6 month wait period’ that certain rumour sites made up.

        • Narretz

          Ah, so the 20MP m43 sensor might also be copper based?

          • Zos Xavius

            If it was announced at the same time it is probable. They tend to upgrade the core technology in their sensors across the line when they do.

      • Zos Xavius

        They used aluminum interconnects previously. I don’t know why copper was not initially used but I’m fairly sure there were challenges that had to be solved.

    • CaMeRa QuEsT

      Aluminum wiring was previously used. Samsung was the first one to market with copper with the NX1/NX500 sensor.

      • J-Man

        Copper has been used in computer chips for a while now, but for image sensors it is still relitivly new.
        The pluses are, thinner conductors, less power loss, better thermal conductivity, which can contribute to a more efficient design, more stability, more throughput, and less delay.

  • Disqus Discuss

    Wow – the improvements in speed are impressive! Copper seems to make quite a difference. I wonder how this sensor will compare with “The Big Two’s” offerings. BTW, weren’t some prognosticators predicting the demise of the CMOS sensor a few years back? They’re doing better than ever!

    • Jeffry De Meyer

      The copper does nothing to speed.
      it offers lower resistance than aluminum and will there for be less prone to be a source of signal degradation and generate less heat.

      • longzoom

        You are contradicting to yourself. Lower resistance means higher speed of signal, so, at the same time, greater amount of data coming thru.

        • Jeffry De Meyer

          lol, In what universe?

          • longzoom

            So, in the Milky Way, lower inner resistance does mean lower degradation of signal, lower time lag, less heat, but passing of greater amount of data is not possible? With all of factors? Hmm… OK, I am wrong…

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            Yes the milky way is a galaxy not a universe.

            And pretty much yes, in metals permitivity is a negligible factor for practical purposes on this scale. resistance and leakage are of much greater importance.

          • El Aura

            The bottleneck can be heat generated by the sensor. Using material with a lower electrical resistance could help here (how significant the difference, I have no idea).

          • longzoom

            So lower resistance is a significant factor, anyway, isn’t it?

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            not for transferspeed

          • longzoom

            I’ve read the interview of 2 top Fuji executives today. Cooper and lower inner resistance are the main factors to increase the speed of data coming thru, they said. But I believe they are wrong as well as I am, and I do not know what they are talking about, right?

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            What interview? in the one on dp review they say nothing about it.

          • longzoom

            DPR – big detailed review, read carefully.

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            the marketing and sales guy, yeah I’m staying with what my electronics books and professors told me.

        • Spy Black

          I don’t think you’re going to pick up on electron speed throuput difference, unless you live in hyper-bullet time.

        • Павел Меньшиков

          Speed of signal doesn’t have anything to do with the amount of data passing through, it affects only the time shift (lag) between sending and recieving the signal. And even then, the difference between copper and alluminium would make any noticable effect if the wires were several kilometers long.

        • Zos Xavius

          the bottleneck isn’t the readout from the sensor. Copper will change nothing. The electrons still move at virtually the same speed. The real bottleneck is the imaging pipeline and how fast it can move that data from the sensor to the imaging processor and then your sd card.

          • longzoom

            So what is the parameter to make that bottleneck faster? Thanks in advance!

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            Start working with wider buses or more buses that can read out more pixels at a time.

    • Sony really knows how to make sensors. I wonder how much was Fuji involved in the design (if at all).

      • LeFred

        Maybe microlenses placement was designed by Fuji as on the X100. This could explain why Fuji lenses are so sharp.

      • Zos Xavius

        They are likely using the same fujitsu chips that many other manufacturers use for their imaging pipelines. They have probably done a lot of design work into the software end of their cameras with x-trans and all but I would imagine that the actual hardware is mostly off the shelf. The x-trans sensor is just a regular sony sensor with a different CFA on top after all.

    • Marco –

      Nx1 and nx500 both have apsc sensors with copper interconnects. And it’s also BSI. And it’s 28mp.

  • Spy Black

    So I wonder if Fuji has abandoned the RGGB arrangement?

  • Adam

    Wasn’t the X-Pro 1 sensor also fabbed by Sony?

  • James Donahue

    Information Overload.

  • KT

    Can’t wait for that baby to drop to $1300 from a grey market reseller on Ebay.

    • give it 6 months

    • harvey

      buy it in Canada … CDN price is $1900 so about $1300US.

  • Agachart Sukchouy

    thanks for info , please i want to know who made D5/D500 image sensor?

    20mp with many advance features that i think it’s not Sony sensor.

    • sickheadache

      Please Keep Up…The Subject is Fuji and the Sony Sensor. And again…Sony Sensor in the new D5 and D500. Thanks for play..it is all about Sony.

    • Mike Gordon

      D5 is a Nikon design, which foundry that produced the sensors is irrelevant.

  • mclaren777

    You guys are overlooking some important details…

    • This is an X-Trans sensor, which means it’s unlike anything else Sony has ever made.
    •The previous X-Trans sensors were made by Toshiba, whose sensor tech Sony recently purchased.
    •Thus, this is almost surely a one-of-a-kind Toshiba sensor that Sony has slapped its name on.

    • roos

      The 2/3″ xtrans are Toshiba. Aps-c xtrans, however, are Sony based. (exmor)

      • Jam005

        however not designed by Sony, only fabed

    • Narretz

      XTrans is the color filter array over the sensor. The sensor technology and the filter aren’t too strongly coupled.

    • Jeffry De Meyer

      x-trans is a bit of plastic fuji clings to because they tied so much of their marketing in to it.
      That and they don’t have to deal with dxo mark and that BS as long as they do x-trans

    • Ufupuw

      X-Trans is color filter on top of the sensor. It doesn’t have anything to do with sensor. All Fuji cameras that had APSC sensor have been using Sony sensor for past several years. Last year it was Sony’s 16 MP sensor that is also found in several Pentax, Sony, and Nikon cameras as well as Ricoh GR. This year Fuji is using Sony’s 24 MP sensor.

      X-Trans simply means the color filter (thin glass on top of the sensor that filters RGB colors) is Fuji’s propreity design.

  • Camaman

    Its missing the “Fuji” logo on the front.
    Looks strange

    • Nikonanon

      Are you ok? Name one X series rangefinder style camera with the fujifilm logo. Then try to envision the xpro2 with the logo. Disgusted yet? Hehe anyway if it did Have a logo, I would cover it up like on my Nikon D800 and X-T1

      • Camaman

        It just looks empty. The front I mean.
        I know where a logo stiker would go on my camera.

        • Tibor Kádár

          You may stick a red dot on the front.

        • Nikonanon

          Interesting point. But I personally love the absence of the logo, it makes the camera more discreet and unobtrusive even with it’s good looks. Kinda like the mindset of the leica m3 and m2. I put black tape over the logo on my nikon d800 anyway

    • Max

      It’s better for street photography. Less distracting. Leica does the same thing.

  • Patrice Halley

    does it take pictures?

    • Sakaphoto Graphics

      No, it creates photographs.

      • nathsgames

        The photographer creates the image 🙂

  • Pancanikonpus

    Good to hack?

  • Daniel Cabral

    Sony does not design any part of the sensor, they only manufacture it. Like many micro processing companies who design chips do not manufacture their own chips. An example is that Samsung will manufacture AMD’s new CPUs and GPUs, but has no say in the design. Apple’s phone chips are made by Samsung, but designed by Apple.

  • John Dillworth

    does anyone know if this is the sensor in the Sony A6000 or the one in the A6300? I suspect that it is the 3 year old A6000 because Sony usually embargos heir senors for 6 months

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