The latest Canon rumors (Canon full frame mirrorless camera)



The most interesting Canon rumor is about a new full frame mirrorless camera:

  • The goal is to announce a full frame mirrorless camera for Photokina 2018 which takes place in September of that year.
  • EF mount will be native
  • New exclusive image sensor for the camera.
  • New sensor technology required for the EF mount in a mirrorless application
  • There will be no new “dedicated” lenses, but mirrorless will be “considered in all future EF lens design”
  • 4K video is considered a necessary feature in all full frame cameras going forward
  • One full frame mirrorless camera body to start
  • There is testing at Canon of a more hybrid approach between DSLRs and Mirrorless cameras. What that looks like we don’t know. (source)

Canon is also rumored to be working on a new EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS USM lens.

Canon recently discontinued three EF lenses - this could indicate a possible replacement:

The Canon classic camera design concept pictured above is by David Riesenberg.

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  • silmasan

    This will get Nikon scrambling to get their mirrorless FF done more than anything else would.

    • I hope so, they use to go back to back with Canon announcements.

    • sickheadache

      There is a New Mirrorless on it’s way from Nikon. M900 …0-60 in 2.4 seconds.. and 72mp. A Red Racing Stripe.

  • Jeffry De Meyer

    They have a perfectly good sensor for a mirrorless FF in the 5D4

    • abortabort

      What is that cameras frame rate in live view? Blackout time? Battery life?

      • Jeffry De Meyer

        Battery life means needing a big battery.
        7fps is 2fps better than the sony a9
        blackout time is that really an issue or is that a thing because you have been told it is a thing by marketing folk.

        • abortabort

          So it will need an even bigger battery?

          Uhm, no, that’s not in live view, which drops to 4.3fps. Yeah definitely ‘Better’ than the A9… because reasons.

          Oh and isn’t the burst buffer like 5 frames in live view? Killer!

          Blackout? In a live view only camera, yeah little bit. I mean, it sure is when other brands have slow / long blackouts, but not for Canon right?

          Clown.

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            I was under the impression people were over the mirrorless because small thing.
            So sure a bigger battery for which there would be room since you know it will keep the deep body for the native EF mount.

            the a9 is 5FPS, I thought the 5d4 was 7fps
            And I haven’t heard anyone complain about blackouts since the fuji x pro 1

          • abortabort

            The 5D IV has a native EF mount. That doesn’t improve the live view battery life (which is abysmal). Did you actually think before speaking?

            5D IV is 4.3fps in live view, which is what you’re proposing as a full time solution on this new camera. Or did you think that because that camera both does live view and does 7fps that it must do both at the same time?

            Watch some videos of the 5D IV burst shooting in live view (again, what this new camera would be doing 100% of the time), while the AF is decent, everything else is abysmal. Well for anyone who had used a thoroughly modern live view system.

            As for the A9… well I’m sure you’ll come up with plenty of lame excuses why the 10-20fps modes are ‘useless’ and is, therefore, ‘only’ 5fps. However the A99 II cranks out 12fps, with a larger buffer, twice the battery life (from a similar sized battery), more Resolution etc etc all in live view.

            But I’m sure this new thing will be just fabulous because… reasons.

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            Seems like you are being totally reasonable and not just reading what you want in what I’m writing.

          • abortabort

            So still don’t have any useful answers to the initial questions. How much will you pay for a full frame EF camera with a slow refresh EVF, 250 frame battery life (but still the same full sized body / battery), shoots 4.3fps, has long delays and slow buffer, weak video and only 30MP? How much will you pay for that?

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            Nothing, since I’m still sitting here with some E mount lenses, was also under the impression NX was going to be a thing and have a bunch of that stuff I’m not using and have a pretty OK kit of F mount gear and don’t see the point in adopting yet an other system.

            But that wasn’t what I wrote, I wrote that the sensor in the 5d4 was OK for mirrorless.
            The rest of your whinings are done by the processor in the a99v2 not the sensor which is the one in the a7r2

          • abortabort

            What are you prattling non about now? Nothing useful it seems. Come back when you have.

            Seems to me that that sensor is actually rubbish for a full time live view camera, but seems better than Nikon’s offerings in LV so must be ‘pretty good’ to blind idiots.

          • Jeffry De Meyer

            I’m perfectly happy with my ovf a superior proven technology.

            Anyway you have your head up sony’s ass and I don’t see a reason to continue this conversation

  • David S.

    But they need the same flange distance. 44mm if they want a EF mount. Not really compact

    • paige4o4

      It could be the same as an A7 with EOS adapter. Still very quite compact, especially compared to their Dslrs.

      • David S.

        No sense to use the adapter when there is no native eos-m full frame lens.

        • paige4o4

          That’s not what I’m suggesting. I’m saying even with a 44mm flange distance, a mirrorless camera can be almost as compact as the A7 series.

          • David S.

            Sorry when i am mistaken, a7² round about 4cm lens mount -> Display.
            With 44mm flange distance you have to add additional space for the display electronics and so on.

          • paige4o4

            Yes, and physically that’s what a Sony A7 + adapter would look like. Canon could make a mirrorless camera with a fixed EOS mount, that’d be exactly that size.

            Another example would be the little EOS-M5 camera with EOS adapter. Very compact, but still has the full sized Canon mount for legacy lenses. All they would have to do is give it a full frame sensor, and solder the adapter in place so it was fixed.

          • David S.

            http://j.mp/2rwqj3S

            This without the 40mm lens ist Compact in your eyes?

            If you ask me, why not make a 5dmk4 with optical and electronic viewfinder.

          • David S.

            Not really Compact for me.

            Why not stay big, make a full size 5dmk4 with both optical and electronic viewfinder so you can switch.

          • paige4o4

            Hardly fair to compare a Sony without a lens. Here:

            http://j.mp/2rvZbCb

            Yes the Canon is a bit larger, it’s over all very close I’d say. And of course it’s *much* smaller than the 5D line.

          • paige4o4

            Not really fair to compare the Sony when it has no lens attached. This is a much fairer comparison, and clearly both are significantly smaller than the Canon 5D4:

            http://j.mp/2qWWtsl

          • Zos Xavius

            Because that would be impossible.

          • David S.

            why is this impossible?

          • Zos Xavius

            because you would need to have a LCD screen where the focusing screen would be. you can’t have both there at the same time. that is why sony used the pelicle mirror idea and developed SLT.

    • waterengineer

      Yep. You beat me to it. I was thinking exactly the same thing. Also, Sony has proven full-frame mirrorless body lens combinations are no smaller than DSLRs, really.

    • Ivan Kutsarov

      Yes but Sony adds stupid tube to the back of every lens.

  • sickheadache

    Hopefully Canon will not Dumb Down This Camera for their Fans.

    • Ivan Kutsarov

      Hehe dream on. Canon are the kings of crippling and under delivering. The paranoia is real. Be ready, 5 years life cycle with no firmware support inc. Remember my words.

      • Les

        Ivan, have you considered that Canon releases fewer firmware updates is because they do their testing and validation before they release new products, rather than having customers to do it for them?

        I think it’s a consequence of Canon being a photography company, not a consumer electronics company.

        • Ivan Kutsarov

          Being a “photography” company doesn’t necessary mean you have to suck at software. It’s 2017 after all.

          • Les

            Is it better to offer fewer features that work, like Canon, or more features that don’t work, like other (unnamed) brands? I can tell which one you prefer, but some other photographers would rather have a solid camera that does what it claims, rather than amazing specifications that don’t work.

            There’s room for both in the camera market. I see no upside to having eight firmware updates in two years (which tells me the camera wasn’t ready to ship), but I can see why others spin it as a positive.

        • abortabort

          Yes, Canon’s electronics firmware is ‘better’ than electronics company’s firmware because they are a photography company…

          That legit makes sense 😉

          How about they only have 3 features and they are the same in all their cameras? Even then they release new firmware all the time, just bug fixes though. Couldn’t add a 4th feature 😉

  • Vladislav Kuznetsov

    To keep EF on mirrorless? Nonsense!
    Short flange distance makes it possible to design very HQ lenses, while keeping their dimensions in the usual range. That’s the point! Size of DSLR could be compact enough, but if manufacturer wants to reach The IQ, it will have to increase lens’ size to the level of Otus. Here the DxO’s list of sharpest lens (manual one’s are greyish): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4491877bc19a6e343af559762de5b81b001591099df45d51c9a18a143c965b96.png

  • Camaman

    I see a lot of people talking about it wont be compact.
    IMO that is nit the driving force behind their move to mirrorless at all.
    They held out so long because they wanted their customer base to start asking about mirrorless options.

    Also pros dont like small cameras. Bigger is better in the eyes of the clients.
    Compact body is low on their list if priorities

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