Adobe now promises not to kill Lightroom Classic: “we remain committed to investing in Lightroom Classic in the future”


Adobe published a new set of Q&A regarding their latest Lightroom announcement and the decision to kill the Lightroom 6 standalone version. In the Q&A Adobe made another promise that they will "remain committed to investing in Lightroom Classic in the future". They made a similar comment before regarding the standalone version of Lightroom, but after I published my post some people decided to argue the meaning of the word "indefinitely”. Anyone who has followed Adobe in the past few years knows that this move is revenue driven and it was just a matter of time before they move everything to the cloud. I even remember seeing a comment (or was it a tweet?) from Tom Hogerty (Adobe Photo Product Manager) where he said that as long as he is in charge, there will be a perpetual license version of Lightroom (if somebody can find the link, please post in the comments section).

The current Adobe CC plan rates can be found here. You can get a free Lightroom trial on this page. The last three versions of Lightroom can be downloaded here (see also this link for more information).

Here is the full text of the Q&A session published by Adobe and an interview with Tom Hogerty:

How does this update affect my old Photography/Creative Cloud Plan?
TH: Within the Creative Cloud Photography plan we’ve updated the Lightroom you know and love to include performance and editing enhancements in a new version called Lightroom Classic. We added new Lightroom CC and a small amount of storage for you to experiment and try out the new cloud-based Lightroom offering. The Creative Cloud Photography plan – Lightroom Classic, Photoshop CC, and now the new Lightroom CC plus Adobe Spark – is still $9.99 per month. There is also a new Lightroom CC plan that is $9.99 per month that does not include Lightroom Classic or Photoshop CC but does include 1TB of cloud storage for your photography library.

Lightroom Classic

Is Lightroom Classic being phased out? How long will it be until Adobe kills Lightroom Classic?
TH: No, we’re not phasing out Lightroom Classic and remain committed to investing in Lightroom Classic in the future. We know that for many of you, Lightroom Classic, is a tool you know and love and so it has an exciting roadmap of improvements well into the future. But please hold us accountable as we make updates in the following months and years to let us know if we’re meeting your expectations.

Lightroom CC

Does everything have to be synced to Lightroom CC or can users pick and choose what content syncs with the cloud?
TH: For this 1.0 release, everything imported is intended to upload to Creative Cloud. We clearly understand that there are situations where a customer would not want all of their images uploaded to Creative Cloud so let’s talk about those situations and how we can address them. In the case where a customer doesn’t want any images in the Creative Cloud, Lightroom Classic is and will continue to be an excellent workflow choice.

Lightroom Tech Questions

Some users have about 8TB worth of photos. How do they fit that into 1TB of space?
TH: We have plans available for 1TB, 2TB, 5TB and 10TB right now at $9.99 per TB per month. Let us know if you want more.

What if you don’t have superfast, unlimited Internet to sync everything? Won’t it likely take days to upload a full shoot of raw files to a cloud server?
TH: Upload times depend on your bandwidth but you can still start working on your images immediately. If your bandwidth is not going to support your current volume of photography, Lightroom Classic is and will continue to be an excellent workflow choice.

Lightroom 6

Why did you abandon the Lightroom standalone version?
TH: Customers are overwhelmingly choosing the Creative Cloud Photography plan as the preferred way to get access to Lightroom. We’re aligning our investment with the direction our customers have signaled over the last several years.

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  • David Seelig

    TH: Customers are overwhelmingly choosing the Creative Cloud Photography plan as the preferred way to get access to Lightroom.
    And why is this Adone might it so hard to download and find a way to download stand alone lightroom or to update it. They are a horrible company screw them

    • fanboy fagz

      garbage company adobe. im out. been watching howto vids on capture one. a friend is leaving as well. time to make the move.

      no wonder theyre on the list of most hated companies.

      • TurtleCat

        You might want to wait. Typically CaptureOne updates on a yearly basis and generally in December.

    • monocolor

      Yes.. they set up the system to favor the path they want.. once the customer base finally was steered that direction, they claim it was the customers choosing that all along. haha

      But that is how marketing speak goes.. which is why I don’t put a lot of weight into what they say, even officially. Because it is all directed in a manner for them to get exactly what they want.

      These are not ‘promises’ — Adobe never said ‘I promise’, and it should never be taken as an actual promise. This is typical corporate, loose ended speak just like 4 years ago when they discussed the now-discontinued LR standalone.. they are committed to it today and the foreseeable future. That doesn’t mean they are never getting rid of the platform..

    • Thom Hogan

      It is self-serving on Adobe’s part. But I can also understand it: they already have too many code bases sprouting out from a single basic core set of technology (Elements, LR in all versions, Photoshop, Bridge). The more code bases you try to support, the more people you need.

      Obviously, it’s a business choice on their part. Whether customers will really embrace that or not is another story, though Adobe’s comments about this say that they’ve seen the shift from stand-alone to subscription.

      I still maintain that Adobe’s biggest problem with CC has been and continues to be what happens when a subscription expires. They could have dealt with that aspect of CC far, far better, and it would have gone a long way towards suppressing all the negative reaction they’ve gotten.

      • Mike

        “Our customers have told us the direction they want us to go”. No, Adobe, they have not. You have told your customers how you want them to tell you. Lol.

        If you take away the ability to turn left and people can only turn right, then of course people will give feed back that they are turning right and not left. This is false positive market research. Adobe is not looking for product/direction desire, (I want to turn left, I want LR 7) they are only looking at usage. (We have made hard to turn left so most people are turning right, therefore the market is telling us they are turning right).

        What I bet happened, and Adobe will never admit to it, is an upspike of LR 6 upgrades and downspike of CC subscriptions. Personally, I’m waiting for the D850 update to LR 6 and I’ll ride that rocket into the sun.

        • Thom Hogan

          As best as we can tell, there was not an upsurge in LR6 upgrades and downturn in CC. The opposite occurred. Which makes your analogy more appropriate: yes, it’s harder to turn left, so fewer people turn left.

  • exactly my point, and some people were arguing the meaning of the word “indefinitely”… it was obvious that Adobe was going to do that

    • CCD FTW

      If it was so obvious why were you arguing that they were ‘promising’ to keep the stand alone ‘forever’?

      • What was so obvious? I do not understand your comment.

        • CCD FTW

          You said it Peter… maybe go back and look at your own post?

    • Eloise

      Peter: with respect no one was “arguing” the meaning of the word indefinitely… they were simply telling you your interpretation of the meaning of the word indefinitely was wrong. When someone says (for example) “the talks have been suspended indefinitely” you don’t argue when talks resume again do you?

      • My point is that no matter what word they used, on several occasions Adobe said that they will keep the standalone version alive. They didn’t. That’s the story behind my post.

    • 10 dollars per TB of space per month? Crazy.

      • yep…. I think my LR library is over 4TB….

  • fanboy fagz

    affinity photo is a photoshop alternative?

    • TurtleCat

      Yes. It’s pretty good. Has most of the core features of Photoshop in a relatively similar interface. But it has its own quirks as well. It’s a bit familiar if you’re a long term photoshop person but also some frustration since they didn’t copy the UI well enough.

      • fanboy fagz

        I have ps. Will stick with it. I dont need any raw work. I use lr for that. Looks good though. I hope many leave adobe for ap

  • Adobe doesn’t seem to understand that a lot of us have a problem with the whole CC concept and subscription model in the first place. I don’t want my computer unnecessarily communicating with servers all day long for features I don’t want or need. Not with all the security threats, and just the waste of processing power and electricity bugs me, not to mention the need to keep the computer connected to the Internet. And, once I commit to subscription-only apps, I need to keep subscribing even after I switched to another set of apps, so that I continue to have access to legacy files. That’s like taking my files hostage. No. This is the biggest deal-breaker for me.

    I’ve stayed with Adobe because they’ve been around a long time, and probably will, so I could count on some degree of future-proofing. Not so future-proof any more, are they… And, with a subscription app, if Adobe does go bankrupt, I will not have access to my files at all; with a perpetual app, all I need to do is keep an old computer running old OS and the defunct app. Planned obsolescence for computers, I can live with. Planned obsolescence for all my hard work? Forget it.

    I can totally see the advantages of CC. I think it’s a great option to have. Still, it needs to be an option, not a requirement. Those of us who do not need those advantages, we’re being forced to waste our money. This also pushes out all the customers who don’t have the revenue stream to justify the expense; Adobe products have always been expensive, but this also prices out people who’d be better off buying a perpetual license every several years. Starving students. Starving artists. New artists trying to break into the commercial market. Hobbyists. Businesses with occasional design needs. Artists and businesses who are happy with CS3, but would like to upgrade just to be compatible with new OSs. Adobe does not want their money.

    I know when a company does not want *my* money. I will not fight to do business with a company who does not want me as a customer.

    We’ll see how cocky they are when the next recession hits and people cannot afford their exorbitant subscriptions. And will those customers come back when the recession is over? Not if they migrated over to other app suites during the hard times, and not if they are pissed off at not being able to access their files just because they are poor. Not if they lose their remaining clients and go out of business, because they’re locked out of all their files and cannot produce new work. If standalone versions were available, they would switch to that during the hard times, you see. CC is great, and people might prefer it for now, but to be CC-only is a short-sighted business move for Adobe. There will be a recession some day, and there will be a shake-up.

    Are you ready, Adobe?

    • monocolor

      I think Adobe doesn’t weigh angry web posts into their business plans…

      instead they ask their bean counters what are the financial numbers. The accounts return a report of record profits and management then responds ‘this is what the people want.’

      We can kick and whine and scream all we want, but as long as more people are willing to buy into a rental service those of us wanting a perpetual license are left out… actions speak louder than words. Just the way it goes.

    • El Aura

      Why does everybody say they have a problem with the CC concept AND subscriptions when the only the problem they have with the CC suite is the subscription aspect (pre-new LR CC)? Has it not sunk in six years of CC that all cloud features of CC are 100% optional (again pre-new LR CC)?

      • Alexis

        I personally really don’t mind the subscription model. It’s enabled me to maintain an upgraded version of a previously $600 piece of software for several years now. Yes, I know that I’ll reach the break-even point before long and will end up paying more, but we all know that the desire to upgrade software is irresistible.

        I am, though, concerned about the whole cloud business. I prefer to maintain ownership of my photos. I realize that Adobe will ultimately kill off Classic CC and even that I could accept. But they’ll need to integrate all its features into the new CC and make damn sure to give me the option of local asset management if they don’t want to lose my business.

        • Wait till hackers start stealing photos from the cloud… they already get everything else 🙂

          • Thom Hogan

            They’ve been doing that forever. I remember my first image stolen back in the 90’s.

          • Yes, they have stolen everything else already, there is not much left…

          • A. F.O.

            There will be legal issues in the future…and much money to be earned by lawyers, when some of you lost the photos in the “space cloud”.
            🙂 not for me.
            My pictures are mine.

          • Alexis

            Yes, this is a legitimate concern…

          • The last Equifax hack in the US included 140 million records – this is pretty much every living adult… there is nothing else left for stealing/hacking… the next step is getting your RAW files 🙂

          • ThomasH

            In another case private and confidential health data of some HMO was located “on a cloud” and that happened to be located in… Pakistan. One angry employee decided to send the data into the open…

          • Yes, the possibilities are endless…

          • br0xibear

            Wait till the hackers crack the CC Raw updates, which can be used on the standalone Lightroom 6 to keep it up to date with new cameras ? lol

          • lol 🙂

          • Azmodan

            I’m sure they could easily do that, remove the checks for what version you are running.

          • ThomasH

            One famous story was published by Wired magazine: A hacker gained access to private Apple account, used its function to remotely reboot iPad, wipe its memory clean, and he deleted all private images of a new born baby on the Cloud. The victim was a writer, and he decided to grant full immunity to the perpetrator and rather to analyze as to “why to do such a thing”. The result was stunning: He did it, because he could. It was irresistible, like a prank of kinds.

            So you see, this danger of privacy violation does not need to be financially motivated.

          • Yes, scary times ahead of us. Plus what happens one day if Adobe goes bankrupt? What if your future OS can no longer run your old standalone version of LR6? I think we are already screwed… it’s just a matter of time until we realize it.

      • RobS

        I use Amazon Cloud as a alternative backup to my hard drive – unlimited photo storage for the price of a Prime membership, which I already have. If you place some value on your photo file, you are taking a significant risk using either a cloud or local disk space for storage.

        • Do they still offer the unlimited photo storage? I thought they killed it.

        • Never mind, I just checked – it is still there. I have to see if they accept raw files.

          • RobS

            They have limited storage for non-photo files. That includes the sidecar files. I have uploaded several terabytes of raw files, with sidecars. However, I plan to convert future raw files to DNG

          • thanks, I now have a weekend project 🙂

    • CanonMinolta

      Not quite accurate.

    • Thom Hogan

      Let’s deal with these things separately:

      * Unnecessary communication — yes, there’s a lot of it. Some of us suppress some of that with our firewalls. But at a minimum you need to let the “are you subscribed” communications through.

      * Subscription end — this is the thing that I believe Adobe got wrong. They could have simply established minimum subscription times and let an expired subscription remain fully active. As you note, it’s the biggest deal breaker for many, including you.

      * If Adobe goes bankrupt — very unlikely circumstance given the success of CC. I would argue that you want a company to be successful monetarily, otherwise they absolutely will go away. Tech is brutal that way.

      * Adobe has a product for those “who don’t have a revenue stream,” it’s called Elements, and it includes a cataloger.

      * Recession. Uh, CC started in 2011 when the economy was still sluggish from the 2007/8 great recession. Businesses prefer the monthly charge–assuming they’re paying the same amount per seat over time–because it doesn’t front load payments and can be written off in a different way. I actually think Adobe is more recession-proof with CC than they were with perpetual licenses. A big recession could essentially stop perpetual license revenue as businesses choose to postpone buying.

      Again, I’m no Adobe apologist. I don’t like a lot of things about CC. But it’s still our best and most complete set of tools and they seem to be staying current with changes to our products and the environment we use them in, while still investing in new interesting technologies that we haven’t seen.

      I, like others, look for alternative tools all the time. We haven’t really gotten what we need to quit Adobe yet.

      • A. F.O.

        I almost always agree with your analysis, but I must say, because I’ve tryed it, that the Elements software by Adobe is not good, to say the least. It’s huge in terms of installation in your hard drive; too slow in my system (windows 10, i3-4030 1.9 GHz, 8 GB DRAM) and too childish for my taste.
        Not a real alternative as I yould need.
        Thanks.

        • Plus, it is only a mater of time until Elements moves to the cloud as well.

      • ThomasH

        Another issue is that Adobe bundles their products in their subscription scheme. I do not Photoshop, I will not learn it. “Old Dog does not learn New tricks,” they say.

        Clouds, and we have a huge success with the offering per SaaS, PaaS, are in need mostly for businesses, or at the least for people using the products constantly. Casual users might be at a disadvantage. Real life example: My wife decided that her old 2 CD’s with MS Office 2000 were too old. For her plain and simple paper she was forced to pay $99 for one year license for the current 20nn Office. Once her really plain and simple formatting was done, she forgot all about it. When she was writing a few letters 13 months later, she… paid another $99. I was outraged.

        I am often too busy to play with pictures, I fire up my LR now and than, sometimes not at all for months. And I will not pay for Photoshop. No way. No cloud please, I will pay for the freaking product and be at peace.

        • Thom Hogan

          Actually, Adobe, Apple, and Google disagree with you. They believe that the casual user doesn’t want to have to manage and backup their images, that they’d be just happy for them all to go reside in the cloud and be managed and backed up by a corporation for them.

          Microsoft, unlike Adobe, offers both perpetual licenses and cloud licenses for Office. Of course, she would have paid more for a perpetual license ;~).

          • ThomasH

            War Of Clouds, as I said: Samsung Cloud, Google Cloud, T-Mobile Cloud, MS-Cloud, all this is thrown at us. Of course now also Adobe Cloud. Add to it clouds, which you really chose to use by choice.

          • Van

            Instead of trying to make Adobe work, I say leave it. There are plenty of programs that mimic them and more are coming. I’m finding Cap One much better at rendering a NEF and their catalog is fine. Heck, even SilkyPix does a better rendition of the Nikon color profiles. But what I am trying to drive home here is if, Nikon provided a decent RAW program (like NX2 was) I would surely then store all in their cloud if I could. That is what we should be insisting for. A comprehensive system from birth to end. A better program better than NX-D and i would not be considering leaving so easily. I think ACR is one of the worst programs for interpreting Nikon’s profile and to provide depth and sharpness of its NEFs. So for me, I would go with a pro camera co that did it all from one end to the other. I can then take a TIFF into any other finishing program if needed. But we have Adobe trying to convince everyone its a one stop shop and to accept what it decides as profiles and costs. That is what I like about Cap One, a DAM system works with their cameras and sensors.

          • Thom Hogan

            Of course, Adobe Sensei lives behind their cloud. You really need to try it to understand what it brings to the table. Nikon has nothing like that at all, and is not likely to have anything like it.

            If you don’t like Adobe, vote with your pocketbook, as many of you are doing. But don’t expect that to change Adobe’s mind overall. In the graphic arts professional community, which include many pro photographers and our clients, they dominate. For me, it’s more difficult to move things to clients outside of the Adobe world.

            Finally, Nikon has, in almost 30 years of being in some sort of software business, not proven they can even keep up with major OS updates, let alone be the overall innovator. That ship has sailed. They have no infrastructure that will change that.

  • Vince
    • Yes, I posted this link a few days ago, but some people were arguing about the meaning of the word “indefinitely”… there were more references but I cannot find them

      • Chaitanya

        I think people are still arguing and they dont seem to understand meaning of indefinite. I have seen a lot people supporting the new CC model especially Tony Northrup and few others. What’s worse is with new lightroom Adobe has killed off Map module(also has less features) which was very important for me organising and geotagging photos as work with wildlife in Himalayas and western ghats.

        • Yes, I understand that some like the cloud and that’s ok. If Adobe cared about their customers, they would have given us both. I also understand that they are a company trying to maximize profits and if I was in charge, I would have probably made the same decision, but all this cannot stop me from complaining about it. I don’t want to pay a lifelong fee in order to be able to access my photos. There are also many other problems associated with that model as others have already mentioned here in the comments.

          • A. F.O.

            Agree.
            It’s 21th century business as usual.
            I will always prefer a software that runs in my PC; without internet connection.

          • Chaitanya

            One of the most common arguments being thrown out is that with standalone and CC adobe had to maintain two separate pieces of software which wasn’t true, both Standalone and CC were same softwares with different sets of checks in place to run. Now with Classic CC and CC adobe is actually maintaining two different softwares and I won’t be surprised if Adobe kills off classic much sooner than Standalone LR.

          • yes, this was a bogus excuse – they still have two teams working on LR

  • dredlew

    Frankly, it doesn’t matter what they said. Of course they will kill Classic, maybe not in the near future but in the future after that.

  • F K

    TH: Customers are overwhelmingly choosing the Creative Cloud Photography plan as the preferred way to get access to Lightroom. We’re aligning our investment with the direction…

    Lie by liar

    • ThomasH

      Herd mentality. Adobe hid the standalone version of LR for years already, its almost impossible to find it. People are being taken for a ride. “Fools rush in,” they say and that is so correct.

      • Yes, that’s why I try to publish a link to the direct download in every post.

  • Florian K.

    I will stay with Lightroom 6. At some point (probably end next year) there will be a new tool from Serif (Affinity), that I can switch to. Till then Lightroom 6 will be perfect.

    • KC

      Serif just said in a tweet that they are NOT developing a DAM… So the Affinity DAM is a no go 🙁

      • A. F.O.

        Happy so far; better then LR and makes staking and HDRs.

      • Jaran Gaarder Heggen

        Can you link to that tweet please?

        • see his previous comments, he posted the link already on NikonRumors a few days ago

    • Same here…

    • The only problem is that in a few years LR6 will no longer work on the latest OS, so I think I have to find an alternative earlier.

  • Thanks for the links to updates, so that we can save them in case we need them in the future. I’m keeping LR6 by now and won’t update anymore.

    I plan too to switch to another software later on. Anyway, LR6 is mostly “overkill” to me for the next years coming.

    Though, the links you gave are for people who already have a license.

    If some (still ;)) want to buy LR6, and if it can be done in your country, you can find all available Lightroom products and pick LR6 in a list at adobe”.”com”/”products page

    Though, you will have to type “Lightroom” in the search field on the top of the list in order to make LR6 appear in the list because it does not appear without a filter : https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9ab47b28c96cd214f936798d39aadf0876ecdbb2c63be3eda388cd324f2ca75.png (!).

    Quite obvious they are hiding it the best they can.

    Then you can pick the LR6 version and buy it.

    A last advice : don’t update to LR6.13 too soon after it comes out (announced for October 26th), as it will be the last standalone version ever. Because if it’s buggy, and you don’t have an easy way back to previous versions, you won’t have the choice but to keep it as it is or go for CC. At least, think of reliable and usable backups.

  • heggmona

    With the new plan updating Lightroom costs med twice as much in a year as the previous Lightroom version (the so called standalone) costed me since it was released.

    Create Cloud? Don’t need it and don’t want itbut yet I have been forced to accept 5 – five – Adobe Create Cloud related apps to run Lightroom (Adobe Updater, CCLibrary, CCXProcess, Create Cloud Desktop and a CC Install).

  • TurtleCat

    Big exciting roadmap for Lightroom Classic? I think they said the same when Lightroom was added to CC yet very little was added or fixed in the two years it was there. I simply no longer trust Adobe. If they wanted to regain trust they could start with improving their abysmal customer support considering their revenues and pricing.

  • iClick

    I was ready to jump ship when Adobe went to subscription, but when they dropped the price for Lr and Ps to $10 per month, I stayed. I was paying more per year for updates than $120. Also, my son was trying to get into photography and there was no way he could spend nearly $900 at that time. At $10 per month is was able to get the software that was essential for him to get started. I am perhaps in the minority, but I’m happy with the subscription policy unless they start raising prices.

    • The price increase is inevitable, it’s just a matter of time.

      • iClick

        With every price increase they will lose more subscribers. Adobe is getting a lot of competition now working hard to pick up the defectors. I suspect Adobe does not have a death wish so I am not assuming anything for now.

      • A. F.O.

        I got the Affinity Photo for 50 euro in last January.
        Happy so far.

        • Visions

          Exactly. When i first saw Affinity Photo i was like: “No way, this can’t replace Photoshop. Not even in a million years”. I was so gladly wrong!

  • MB

    I don’t like CC as the only option for buying Adobe products, and especially with EU prices that were way higher last time I checked and with only 20GB it’s ridicules, most cards I have are larger than that…
    But Adobe also used to have big problems with piracy … and they effectively solved it with CC subscription model

    • Most people here don’t have problem with CC per say. It’s the cloud storage which is problematic.

  • Vladislav Kuznetsov

    I have already chosen an alternative converter (DxO), and it do the job even better. So… Too late, Adobe!

    BTW, it’s seems to be the good occasion to find alternatives to other Adobe’s software. RawTherapee is another alternative to Lightroom. Affinity Photo and AKVIS AliveColors are good to replace Photoshop. Kolor Autopano and Hugin do better job in stitching panoramas… Well, I don’t believe I could stop using Adobe’s photo editing software at all, but it’s time to do the first step.

  • Thom Hogan

    I’m sure they will. Every product dies eventually. But I highly doubt that Lightroom Classic will be gone in four years, like the perpetual license was.

  • I have news for you, your computer is communicating with external servers all day long, unless you completely disconnect from any networks that have external access. Why should Adobe be any different.

    • A. F.O.

      We can still control what and who is connected to our PCs and disconnect if we like it or not; Adobe’s cloud is another thing.
      Thanks.

  • Corporate profits, unless you are the CEO or other “C” level position, do not directly translate into increase in employee income. Just ask anybody who works at Walmart.

  • So, by then the feature set in CC will exceed Classic and we’ll all be happy. Change is hard.

    • And so will be their charges to store your data in the cloud.

  • br0xibear

    Why did you abandon the Lightroom standalone version?

    TH: Customers are overwhelmingly choosing the Creative Cloud Photography plan as the preferred way to get access to Lightroom. We’re aligning our investment with the direction our customers have signaled over the last several years.

    So it wasn’t because you made it very difficult for people to find the standalone version on you site, or to buy from retailers ?…BS !

    • A. F.O.

      Agree!

    • yes, 100% BS – they should be honest and say that they did it because they have a business to run… I would accept it better than this crap

  • Visions

    I call this explanation utter BS from Adobe. We all know Adobe cannot be trusted.

    Right now i’m almost on a “quest” to replace lightroom for good, once and for all.

    I’ve been trying almost everything, and so far Capture One is the winner at this moment.

    Photoshop is a thing from the past for me, Affinity Photo is just as good and it’s afordable. It’s getting better and better, and now I simply cannot wait for the new 1.6 release..

    Anyway, from what i’ve tested so far here are the best ones:

    1) Capture One(it’s simply amazing and this might be the one)

    2) ACDSee Photo Editor Professional 2018 (This one has a lot of potential imho)

    3)Luminar (Needs improvement, especially the raw processor)

    4)Alien Skin exposure 3 (Didn’t like this one, it’s very slow)

    5) *I still need to test this one* ON1 (But apparently it’s doesn’t have any DAM features, only RAW processing. But i could be wrong here).

    From what i’m seeing, and from what i’ve tested Affinity Photo+Capture One will be my choice, and a really good one. It’s time to say, enough is enough to Adobe.

    What about you guys?

    • A. F.O.

      I agree; have Affinity already; will give a try the Capture One.
      🙂

      • TurtleCat

        You might want to wait. If they hold to their recent patterns a new version will be out in December.

  • Claude Mayonnaise

    Perfect timing. The camera industry is hurting. Prices seem to be going up each year for everything. Adobe just made it even more difficult for people to participate in photography.

  • sperdynamite

    Why in gods name would I want to sync all my images to a cloud service that I have to pay a monthly fee to use, in addition to the other cloud services I already use. I pay Apple a small amount for basically phone backups and Dropbox a small amount for business and personal use. 1TB does not satisfy my library, and I’m not paying more and more per month for storage. I don’t mind the subscription model to the programs, we were already paying for a license anyway, this just spreads it out. But additional fees for forced uploads so I can edit on a phone? Who is asking for that? At least since i shoot film I retain my negatives. This is like a lab saying that they’re going to keep my film and I have to pay rent on it. Hell no.

  • ThomasH

    The big issue in the room is the unholy cloud development. Yes,
    unholy. We have now a War Of The Clouds on our hands. Everybody has a cloud drive and openly, covertly or contractually forces us into
    enlisting with their cloud, and so our files somehow land somewhere “in
    the cloud”.

    In my case I deal with Samsung Cloud, Google Cloud, T-Mobile
    Cloud, Microsoft One-Drive Cloud. And, wait for it: now also Adobe
    Cloud. Every each time we need to create an account in order to do
    anything, our files are “synced” in some dubious ways. The settings
    menus are often convoluted, wording is confusing, life is too fast and
    too busy to enroll into “a semester of NN-Cloud operations”.

    We would like to have our lives back. We would like to pay for a freaking
    product and have a stability in its operations. Once learned interfaces
    and flow of control should be preserved. We have untold TB’s for pennies at home, we have the right to opt to stay private.

    • And one more thing – my Internet provider now has a cap on my monthly data usage. Once you go over, the pricing is outrages. With all the cloud activity and TB of data going up to the cloud, guess who will also be making money of the cloud… your favorite cable company 🙂

  • Thom Hogan

    Corporate profits are not a good indicator for overall economic health. US GDP per capita, a better indicator, didn’t match 2006 until 2013. That’s a seven-year period where the “economy” was felt to be sluggish to the average consumer.

    When you look at various slices of the US, things are often worse. Agricultural GDP is about where it was at the start of the recession. Construction didn’t recover until 2016. Ditto Mining.

    Ironically, manufacturing, the thing that you-know-who claimed was really in the dumps recovered in 2011 and has made constant gains since.

    • All true. It’s just that Adobe is not marketing to the “average consumer” any more.

  • lol, I was looking for that video recently and I could not find it, I thought that Adobe forced them to remove it

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